Monday, April 28, 2008

More Media Spin

Now a new poll says that Hillary Clinton would be more likely to beat McCain than Barack Obama would.

According to the poll, Clinton would lead McCain 50 to 41, while Obama only leads him 46 to 44.

You know what? These polls are meaningless, because right now there is no ONE candidate for the Democrats. These polls give people the choice of either Democratic candidate. Once the candidate is firmly decided, the polls would change markedly.

My husband says he would rather vote for Barack Obama and lose than win with Hillary Clinton. I'm afraid a lot of people are starting to feel that way.

Just because she may have an edge (which she may not have in reality) is not a reason to support her to be the nominee. Reagan would beat McCain too (probably even dead) but does that mean we Democrats would want him to be President?


Comrade Kevin said...

The media has its own agenda.

Reality does not come with advertising dollars and ulterior motives attached.

Cosa Nostradamus said...

Polls are BS. I know. I used to do them. Any answer can be produced, and most respondents don't take them seriously. Some will deliberately lie because people now understand that polls are a joke, and can be manipulated to say damn near anything.

The pollsters are under pressure to produce completed surveys, even if they have to complete them themselves. And their bosses don't care, as long as it looks legit.

Of course, if you read the actual questions, you can see they're not legit. They start out with a result, and then try to arrive at it. BS.

Ask this: Why do Repukelickins want Hillary to win the Demo nomination? How many of them answered this poll as Dems?

The bottom line here is that, despite all of Billary's race-baiting and Repukelickin' tactics, Obama can still beat McCain. And we haven't even begun to fight McCain.

Ay, I got ya pole right heah!

Dorothy said...

I am already exhausted with polls, rallies, and interviews etc etc..

Because the environmentalist and current politicians who won't consider letting us explore oil in our own country....we have a long road before there will be any kind of relief for our taxpayers. Coupled with Iraq, and our starving kids right here in the US...Do you think theres a chance any of the candidates can or would be willing to change any of this problems? We'll have to modify our lifestyles and prepare to pay more not less in taxes. Sometimes I wonder if I'd be better off moving to Canada..and I never thought I'd consider leaving our country. Seems like Canada is doing better then us. What do you think?
Dorothy from grammology
remember to call gram

Mauigirl said...

Comrade Kevin, you are so right.

Cosa, I agree. I'm in market research so I know how data can be twisted to support any story! (Not that I do that myself, you understand...)

Dorothy, I agree - it is exhausting already. And the real campaign hasn't even started! Seven more months! Arrgh.

Regarding the environment and searching for oil, while discovering more oil would be helpful, it isn't the final solution. I think we do need to start changing our lifestyles because sooner or later there will be no oil and then what will we do? If we start driving hybrids or other fuel-efficient vehicles, the limited oil that is left can be used for a much longer time. But there are a lot of people out there still driving Hummers and other gas-guzzlers. This will have to change, and more alternative sources of fuel must be found.

Diane M. Roth said...

the day before the election last year, the zogby polls had kerry beating bush, I recall. I remember the poll guy was speechless.

Rainbow Demon said...

It's all in the wording...
I think I'm with your hubby on this one, Mauigirl.

Thanks for stopping by earlier. ;)


Dr. Monkey Von Monkerstein said...

I'm with your hubby on this one.

pissed off patricia said...

Barack is having to run against Rev Wright, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John McCain and the talking heads on tv. Jeeze, he needs our support right now.

To hell with the polls. Since most people under about 35 don't even have land line phones, they aren't being called and polled on cell phones.

Cosa Nostradamus said...

Blogger pissed off patricia said...

To hell with the polls. Since most people under about 35 don't even have land line phones, they aren't being called and polled on cell phones.

Exactamundo. And who doesn't screen their calls, when they are home, if they have a landline? Hell, who's home between 7am and 10pm? A pretty weird group: Kids, senile old people, shut-ins, the unemployed, vampires. Not many actual typical voters. Certainly no "representative sample."

Some REALLY lonely people that nobody else EVER calls up who'll say ANYthing if you'll just keep talking to them. Sad. But not representative.

And that's what spins our polity? Bullshit.

Randal Graves said...

I think you should conduct a poll on whether we like polls or not.

TomCat said...

I think we ignore polls to our peril, but it's important that we interpret them correctly, which the media rarely do. Since Clinton and Obama were even against McCain two weeks ago, this does show that Obama's popularity has slipped. The Obama campaign needs to determine why and take steps to correct it.

enigma4ever said...

polls are meaningless crap...but thank you for questioning them..we all should...

About McCain- has anyone seen ONE single sign for him? or a bumper sticker? .....nope...

Tom Harper said...

I'll vote for whoever gets the Democratic nomination, but I do like Obama a lot better than Hillary. Obama just seems different, less beholden to the Powers That Be. Even if his image is completely calculated and manufactured, it's still refreshing.

If he gets the nomination, I think a lot of voters from both parties will be ready to vote for somebody different. McCain and Hillary both come across as party hacks; Obama doesn't.

Mauigirl said...

Diane, I remember that too - and I think to this day something fishy happened in that election. Might've been more than just the bad polling!

Rainbow, welcome, and thanks for coming by here too.

And Dr. Monkey, I think we are all feeling that way!

POP, I agree - he's got it tough right now. He did not need Wright going on all those shows!

Cosa, good point - polls are only as good as those who agree to participate.

Randal, good idea, I should put one up!

TC, I agree, I don't mean to minimize the fact he has lost ground. I think we all know why though - the media have been loving this whole Wright thing and anything else they can find to pick on. In the beginning they didn't leave Clinton alone and now they're doing it to Obama.

Enigma, I think the lack of enthusiasm for McCain is palpable. If we can't win this one, we can't win anything.

Tom, I agree, that is why I like him too. And maybe the fact he has gotten caught short by some of these things is a sign of him not being your usual politician - and let's hope he will survive and just come out stronger.

libhom said...

If Clinton steals the nomination with a superdelegate scam, I certainly won't vote for her. I'll vote Green and give them money.

libhom said...

diane: Kerry did beat Bush.

Anonymous said...

I never was one to vote blindly for a party, but I have voted just to keep certain republicans out!

P.S. Mauigirl, please comment on my new post about ethanol biofuel raises food prices AND soy candle prices nationwide.

TomCat said...

Maui, I think that he did the right thing to denounce Wright, who chose to sell out his parishioner in return for time in the spotlight. I ran across another factor this morning. Clinton is investing a lot more time in personal appearances than Obama, and I consider it foolish for the Obama campaign to have allowed that to happen.

Mauigirl said...

Libhom, I know, it would be a total steal if she did get the nomination, as bad as Bush vs. Gore.

Hawaii, I'll come visit - I think this whole ethanol thing is a terrible idea.

Tomcat, you're right, he hasn't been making as many appearances as she has - but in all fairness, even when he does, as he did recently, the media have been covering the Wright stuff instead of his appearance! The Daily Show commented on that the other night. But you're right, he needs to show his face on more talk shows.

TomCat said...

And more locally face-to-face.

Mauigirl said...

Yes, that too!

Chris Dashiell said...

The dirty little secret might just be that either candidate would probably beat McCain. In a fair election, I mean, with no vote suppression or tampering. Heh heh.