tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post2290963523203496453..comments2024-03-20T05:19:35.526-04:00Comments on Mauigirl's Meanderings: Islam: True Threat or Right-Wing Bogeyman?Mauigirlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15529827915262851910noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-71719144859888299412011-12-05T04:38:41.000-05:002011-12-05T04:38:41.000-05:00Spadoman, I think I neglected to thank you for the...Spadoman, I think I neglected to thank you for the linkage here. It's amazing to me that this controversy continues to grow instead of die down. 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I'm linking to it on Twitter.Chris Dashiellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14502735579422890467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-90107898055908424332010-08-04T20:21:46.279-04:002010-08-04T20:21:46.279-04:00Great post and sorry I didn't come earlier. I...Great post and sorry I didn't come earlier. I have family who are rabid red and we have to agree to disagree. They can leave it be for awhile but eventually they like to argue with me. They don't email me anymore because I have made a big stink out of being offended by them. They emailed me crap about Clinton so when Bush got selected by the Supreme assholes, I started emailing them about Bush. You should have heard them cry about it too. I said it was only fair since they bashed Clinton constantly. Finally, we just stopped it altogether.<br /><br />This country does need to get out of the Middle East. You can not make peace with warfare.Life As I Know It Nowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03733963455243806298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-71718973940786775222010-08-03T16:47:23.368-04:002010-08-03T16:47:23.368-04:00"Yes, I fear terrorism. But I find I fear eve..."Yes, I fear terrorism. But I find I fear even more what my country has become in response to it..."<br /><br />That says everything I have thought and felt since I watched those towers fall and W took over our country through fear. And we let him. I know many who would disagree with that statement, but I firmly believe in it. <br /><br />Well written blog! Thanks for stopping by mine. I am hoping to stick around for a while now!LeftLeaningLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04359577019343211327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-74674198979347798522010-08-03T12:35:02.767-04:002010-08-03T12:35:02.767-04:00OMG, I just thought I posted a long response to AL...OMG, I just thought I posted a long response to ALL of you individually, and it's gone! It never posted, my internet connection cut out! I don't have the energy to recreate it. Just let me say thank you to all of you for all of the excellent comments and great discussion.<br /><br />I think it bears repeating one thing I did (try to) say in response to SW Anderson and Madmike, which is that we do need to be watchful of any groups that are radicalized and dangerous, and spend more time trying to communicate with the peaceful and moderate Muslim groups in our own country in order to ensure they do not feel marginalized and excluded, which could feed the resentment and cause more of them to go to the radical side. We also need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan as we are not making friends there, but feeding their hatred by occupying their countries.<br /><br />I also agree with those who said that the right-wing Christians who castigate the Muslims are really acting just like those they profess to hate.<br /><br />And Christopher, yes, I have to bite my tongue a lot so I don't see much of her anymore. But when we did have our get-togethers to discuss the controversial topics, I was pretty relentless too! I could go on about the dinosaur thing but it makes me crazy. They really think God put the bones there to test their faith!<br /><br />Muddleglum, good point, fear of differences is at the root of many prejudices on all sides.Mauigirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529827915262851910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-42948324634339565532010-08-03T11:55:26.844-04:002010-08-03T11:55:26.844-04:00I've read the Koran several time in different ...I've read the Koran several time in different translations and the Bible many times. I might first point out that "Christian" Bible is basically the New Testament.<br /><br />As an individual, the Koran makes me want to bash people over the head—Allah, to me, is very self-defensive and afraid. I'm not impressed. The N.T. makes me want to treat people in a gentle way. The O.T. is somewhere in between depending on how I read it.<br /><br />I would suggest that people read the Koran for themselves, in (as much as possible) historical order. <br /><br />But when you get down to it, people fear differences and are ready to demonize those who are different. This includes liberals as well as conservatives. This includes atheists as well as theists. The question then devolves to this: how do we keep <i>any</i> group from gaining power over others?<br /><br />If nominated, I will not run;<br />If elected, I'll head for Canada and request asylum.muddleglumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01394254712209466553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-77787965676073930872010-07-31T21:03:34.437-04:002010-07-31T21:03:34.437-04:00The irony is that the Christian fundamentalists he...The irony is that the Christian fundamentalists here are treating Muslims the same way that Muslim fundamentalists are treating Christians in many predominantly Muslim countries. It's all about power.<br /><br />I'm so sick of religion.libhomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05537213558568338561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-64008328384130337642010-07-29T21:41:56.810-04:002010-07-29T21:41:56.810-04:00I'm fascinated that you know a woman who you c...I'm fascinated that you know a woman who you consider an acquaintance, who you exchange emails, and meet for lunch, but the meeting carries pre-conditions such as avoiding a whole laundry list of topics she disapproves.<br /><br />Such pre-conditions would drive me nuts and having the personality I have, I would always manage to work the topics into the lunch.<br /><br />For example, "Have you ever been to Portugal? Well, Portugal, which was founded in the 800s, just approved gay marriage. Isn't that great?"<br /><br />Or, "Isn't that Sarah Palin a lunatic? She thinks all life began 6,000 years ago. I guess all that carbon dating which puts humans in Cypress 9,000 years ago is just a liberal conspiracy."<br /><br />And, "These religious extremists are off the chain! They think humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Can you even imagine such stupidity?"<br /><br />I would be relentless.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15788931352232874850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-32897063132582436752010-07-28T18:09:02.745-04:002010-07-28T18:09:02.745-04:00"I respect her belief in Christianity" W..."I respect her belief in Christianity" Why for God's sake (pardon the pun) reason over magical thinking is more deserving of respect. Just think, all those far right wing relatives one may love, and whom express love, vote every opportunity to deny civil rights to those whose 'beliefs' they despise. Under any other conditions they would be described as enemies. Bourgeoisie sentimentality does not lead to freedom.---Just say'unmandthttp://adgitadiaries.blog-city.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-72980858817383404642010-07-28T13:57:59.768-04:002010-07-28T13:57:59.768-04:00great post, m.g.
everyone knows the muslims plan...great post, m.g. <br /><br />everyone knows the muslims plan on building the mosque out of dynamite.<br /><br />trying to reason with a wingnut is akin to trying to reason with pencil shavings, but nowhere near as interesting.s. douglas (aka the all powerful fairlane)http://blackmagpie.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-4802602783040300882010-07-27T18:59:19.144-04:002010-07-27T18:59:19.144-04:00The friend said: Destroying the American culture ...The friend said: <i>Destroying the American culture and allowing a foreign culture to move in is dangerous – </i><br /><br />Yeah, tell it to the Iroquois.<br /><br />Kudos, Maui - great post:)Beekeepers Apprenticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03147256400096114177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-68660156699997031842010-07-26T16:42:25.307-04:002010-07-26T16:42:25.307-04:00". . . the Right-Winger only sees things in b...<i>". . . the Right-Winger only sees things in black and white and makes no concessions."</i><br /><br />That seems to be a personality characteristic that goes with being a political conservative/right winger and a religious fundamentalist. I won't go so far as to say every last one of either is that way. But there's no mistaking the close correlation in so many.<br /><br />Demonizing Islam and all its followers is a mistake. But doing so serves emotional needs and political aims of the radical right, so they will do it.<br /><br />Having said that, it bears mentioning that many Mideast Muslims are cultural and political primitives, and literalists when it comes to Quranic teachings, Sharia and social traditions that seem harsh to the point of brutal oppression to Westerners.<br /><br />All of that, IMO, makes for a high likelihood of unhappiness, dissatisfaction and resentment for many Mideast Muslims who relocate to Western countries. That doesn't mean they will all become terrorists killers or even sympathizers. It does mean there's potential for some of them end up going that route, and we would be foolish not to recognize that possibility.S.W. Andersonhttp://wpblog.ohpinion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-50483098139820275752010-07-26T12:25:54.859-04:002010-07-26T12:25:54.859-04:00This is a great post and I apologize for my absenc...This is a great post and I apologize for my absence. <br /><br />I teach, among other things, global terrorism. Sadly I see Islam as a threat to the world, not just the United States. It has become radicalized beyond our wildest imagination and greatest fears. Be prepared.madmikehttp://madmikesamerica.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-20129864755870591962010-07-25T21:28:54.116-04:002010-07-25T21:28:54.116-04:00Mixing religion with politics allows all hell to b...Mixing religion with politics allows all hell to break loose.Dave Dubyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279370558997246976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-48037252637192522322010-07-23T13:36:44.734-04:002010-07-23T13:36:44.734-04:00I really liked your post. I think so often extremi...I really liked your post. I think so often extremists, ethnic groups, followers of a certain religion, etc. are considered only as a group. But at the end of the day, you're dealing with people, who are as individual as snowflakes, with different versions of a central belief system. <br /><br />Two Christians may focus on different passages of the Bible as their inspiration in life, the same can be said for two Muslims, Buddhists, etc. No two people belonging to the same ethnic group will feel exactly the same way about their ethnic group and their own place in it. So why do we so often lump people together into groups? <br /><br />My aunt married a Muslim from Iraq and I can tell you honestly, that he was one of the sweetest and most peaceful people I have ever known. People respond to fear, they refuse to get to know the object of that fear, and it's sad, because this whole "you're eiterh with us or against us" mentality has held back communication throughout history.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17306504793699710978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-19119863042528208932010-07-23T10:44:34.927-04:002010-07-23T10:44:34.927-04:00So how much did Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama Jiha...So how much did Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama Jihad X pay you to write this tripe?Randal Graveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08728992897551848531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-814563733210079362010-07-22T17:41:55.070-04:002010-07-22T17:41:55.070-04:00Excellent blog.
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Would they stop the Hindu's, Mormons or Buddhists?Teeluckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07436834652576541130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-76822149024210429652010-07-22T13:35:08.232-04:002010-07-22T13:35:08.232-04:00Really good post Maui. I can only say, that the de...Really good post Maui. I can only say, that the devoted right winger will never listen to anything you have to say. They are too emotionally invested in their version being true, so they cannot dare examine other possibilities. <br /><br />I've not read the Koran but I have read about it, and my understanding is that it has no more "violence" in it than the bible generally speaking. They both have problems with certain types interpreting it to support what they want it to mean. Fundamentalists in the end, are the same across religions, something that is so lost on our Christian right. They are no different fundamentally than the Muslims they so hate. Where they find Christianity in all their hate, I have no clue.Sherry Peytonhttp://afeatheradrift.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-61254852559557359592010-07-22T11:09:03.583-04:002010-07-22T11:09:03.583-04:00You knocked it out of the park with this one, Maui...You knocked it out of the park with this one, Mauigirl.<br /><br />If we toss out our high ideals of freedom, don't we become just like those we claim to fear and hate?lisahgoldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11158660223296807317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-54580105118938132182010-07-22T06:43:28.631-04:002010-07-22T06:43:28.631-04:00Wow! No, really, WOW! This is an excellent article...Wow! No, really, WOW! This is an excellent article. Thank you for your time in research!<br />I have opinions, but I won't go on here at all. You've stated them already.<br />What gets me is why would any one person not want another person to have what they want? I mean, the right wingers wouldn't stand for their religion to be told they couldn't build a Christian church next to a titty bar!<br />Really and truly, Peace will only come by forgiveness and acceptance of all people by all people. So, we do it in small pieces. Two people talking. In the circle. <br /><br />And again, a mighty fine job. I will post this, or at least refer to it, on my Ashland Peace Blog if you don't mind.<br /><br />PeaceSpadomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17781369901345409341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34240686.post-42722416780326018842010-07-22T02:28:45.799-04:002010-07-22T02:28:45.799-04:00Let me start by saying I have a cousin who, althou...Let me start by saying I have a cousin who, although growing up in a blue collar family & city that was strong "blue" dems, he turned red. Rabid red. He started sending me offensive emails. They are supposed to be funny, but they were quite hate filled. I asked him to stop. I warned him I would be a formidable debater & that he should not waste his time trying to convert me. At one point he sent some pro Palin crap, and then some raunchy anti Obama stuff. <br />For a while I did just put stuff direct in the trash. <br />But occasionally I would open things & there would be more venom. I finally told him this stuff is offensive & stop sending it. He does not write anymore... but at least no more of the raunchy e mails. <br />As for the Islam issue.... <br /><br />Remember when the Oklahoma city bombing took place? The prevailing thought was it was some foreign terrorist probably a Muslim/Islamic faction who did this. <br />Not much was made of the fact that Timothy McVey was a domestic christian- or the fact we owed an apology for making that foreign terrorist assumption. <br />With over a billion followers of Islam, we should be happy they are mostly a peaceful group, with some radical/rogue factions who embrace violence. <br />Islam is the 2nd largest religious group in the world. We can't perpetuate religious wars. <br />Jadedj made excellent points about <br />christianity 's violent history. <br />We have to learn lessons along the way. <br />Warring over religion defeats the purpose-- which is to be our best selves, and attain some higher enlightenment. <br /><br />It's nice to be able to have rational conversations w people w opposing views, but at some point when rational morphs to hate speech, lines must be drawn. <br />IMHO.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.com